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Old 04-21-2006, 10:24 AM   #16
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Hello again guys, i heard some rumours that if i want to OC my system, i have to use SATA3 and SATA4 instead of 1-2.

Because the lock isnt working properly on sata 1 and 2? Is this true?

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Old 04-30-2006, 11:07 AM   #17
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Yo all, is the hotfix includuded now in win updates or not?
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Old 04-30-2006, 01:26 PM   #18
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I don't believe so. I've got all the updates from winupdate but don't have this hotfix.
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Old 04-30-2006, 05:44 PM   #19
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SP2 does come with the SATA drivers...I recently did a reformat and tried it out as a test...it worked fine...you only need to do the F6 method for RAID configurations...
Windows XP does not come with any SATA drivers per se. However, SATA is transparent to the OS. Meaning at the driver level a typical IDE driver will be used. At the lower layers it is physically SATA and above the first two the OS will see it as PATA.

One very important note to help with the clarifications. There are only two type of controllers, compatible or native mode. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device...e-modeATA.mspx. What is really misconstrued is the fact that many will say “native” SATA and not know that they are incorrect. You are very close but not fully descriptive and correct about your RAID statement. The controller can be SATA, or SATA RAID. Many of the SATA RAID controllers have the ability to be toggle between either mode of RAID or non-RAID, but not all and the user needs to be aware the specifics.

The VIA 8237R and the ICH5R are excellent examples of the defined terms. The 8237R is an SATA RAID controller only. To use any SATA device with this controller you will have to use the RAID (SCSI miniport) driver, even if you are not to use any RAID functions. This includes not ever having to install the RAID software. This means that the 8237R can be used in RAID or non-RAID configurations, but the RAID driver must be installed (q.v. F6) for any use of an SATA drive.

The ICH5R is a hybrid controller. It can be placed in SATA RAID/RAID ready or in SATA mode. The only time a driver is necessary for the ICH5R is if the controller is to be used in RAID or RAID ready mode. When in SATA the third channel will be used and the basic IDE loaded. Contrary to belief the chipset utility will install the PnP filter ID and load the proper IDE driver integral within Windows.

Some vendors have provided SATA drivers which will use the SATA DMA timing. An example of this is the nForce core logics. Vista will be true SATA capable. The interfacing layers will not be through legacy DMA drivers and timings. It will be through SATA DMA timed drivers. To note many of the SATA RAID controllers used the SCSI miniport driver interface.

I have often thought about creating an installation guide, but the most important part that I wish many DIY's to be educated in is the BIOS. There are so many pertinent settings that should be enabled or disabled before installation of any operating system. Luckily, the newer system are compliant to the standards that such is unnecessary, but some motherboard manufactured when performing BIOS coding will go from standards and the typical model sent to their own version. This is normal to do some modifications, but some will go even further than the normal few. Some good examples are Abit, Asus, and DFI. Sometimes the modifications are due specifically because of ASIC's.

To do a real installation guide would be difficult, IMO. You can cover many bases but never have the full effect of what is necessary. Much of the information I have seen is so far from the truth it is despicable. I often think about how to solve this and the only conclusion I have come to is for things to intelligently managed themselves and would not need user input. But you will always need user input. Standards are made and made to work with each other, but does not mean that the compliant devices will functions with each other.
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Old 05-03-2006, 10:32 AM   #20
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SP2 does come with the SATA drivers...I recently did a reformat and tried it out as a test...it worked fine...you only need to do the F6 method for RAID configurations...

not sure about the slipstream method but if you have a version of XP that comes bundled with SP2 then you are good to go
Not so with the ASUS A8V Deluxe. Tried to install the OS (Official Microsoft WinXP Pro with SP2 - not slipstreamed) to a Western Digital Raptor (SATA) and the OS cannot see anything to install to. Had to do the F6/floppy routine to get things going.

It does work beautifully with my older ASUS P4C800-E...just fire the CD in and off you go.
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Old 05-03-2006, 10:53 AM   #21
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The A8V uses the 8237R for the south logic, and the p4C800-E uses the ICH5R. Read my post above yours.
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Old 05-03-2006, 10:59 AM   #22
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The A8V uses the 8237R for the south logic, and the p4C800-E uses the ICH5R. Read my post above yours.
I guess I should have dug into it a bit more before posting. Thanks!
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