Gaming CPU 64 X2 3800+ Or 64 4000+

yumade · 12-16-2005, 11:40 AM

Im looking to build a new gaming rig and was jst wondering what would be a good buy. Id like to spend max $350 on a cpu. and 150 on a mobo.

What would be the way to go dual core or single core.

thanks

sammy2066 · 12-16-2005, 01:00 PM

X2 3800+ is a good investment, not only does it play all games nicely, but in the future, it will increase performance on multi-threaded games and apps.

yumade · 12-16-2005, 07:36 PM

Thank you

johnrr6 · 12-16-2005, 08:25 PM

I agree with Sammy------that 3800+ X2 is a whole lot of bang for the buck.....

Incredible chip for about $320----less on ebay...

I have built two 3800+ X2 rigs and they both are wonderful.....

I have had TWO instances of prime 95 running----the task manager----Microsoft Word----Microsoft Outlook and a temp monitoring program "Smart Guardian"

ALL running at the same time-----AND surf the net

With NO slowdown!!!

They are incredible multitaskers----just try doing all of that with ANY multithreaded Intel----or even an Intel dual core. Will bring those machines to their knees....

And when games and other apps are better written to support dual core....Oh Baby!!

Just remember to do two things:
1. Load the special AMD X2 drivers
2. Do the Microsoft Windows XP Hotfix for X2 Dual Cores

Good luck!

John

yumade · 12-20-2005, 01:55 PM

Thx yes im going with the 3800+

*polonyc2* · 12-20-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrr6

Just remember to do two things:
1. Load the special AMD X2 drivers
2. Do the Microsoft Windows XP Hotfix for X2 Dual Cores

John

do you have any links for these two items?..thanks

I found this on AMD's website...is this the X2 driver you are referring to?

AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.2 -

Allows the system to automatically adjust the CPU speed, voltage and power combination that match the instantaneous user performance need. Download this Setup Installation program (EXE) to automatically update all the files necessary for installation. This package is recommended for users whom desire a graphical user interface for installation. This .EXE driver is a user friendly localized software installation of the driver designed for end-users. This driver supports AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core processors on Windows XP SP2 and Windows 2003 SP1.

johnrr6 · 12-20-2005, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polonyc2

do you have any links for these two items?..thanks

I found this on AMD's website...is this the X2 driver you are referring to?

AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.2 -

Allows the system to automatically adjust the CPU speed, voltage and power combination that match the instantaneous user performance need. Download this Setup Installation program (EXE) to automatically update all the files necessary for installation. This package is recommended for users whom desire a graphical user interface for installation. This .EXE driver is a user friendly localized software installation of the driver designed for end-users. This driver supports AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core processors on Windows XP SP2 and Windows 2003 SP1.

Driver here:----the one you quote is correct "AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.2 -"

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13118,00.html

Hotfix Here:

http://www.amdzone.com/files/WinXPdualcorehotfix.exe

Hotfix Explanation Here:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=896256

I also installed the registry hack that is described in the hotfix although it seems to indicate that this is a way to turn the hotfix off.....

Several people on several forums claim the registry hack is necessary to ensure the hotfix is actually turned on-----just make sure 1 is set in the Value data box to enable the new performance state policy behavior.

Also don't download the Cool 'n Quiet driver and ensure Cool "n Quiet is disabled in Bios.

Get 81.95 or above Nvidia Drivers and 5.12 Catalyst----both are written to better support Dual core.

Gaspar · 12-20-2005, 07:56 PM

One thing to add is good cooling is a must when overclocking these beasts. Especially if going above 1.5v to the cpu.

johnrr6 · 12-20-2005, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaspar

One thing to add is good cooling is a must when overclocking these beasts. Especially if going above 1.5v to the cpu.

Absolutely-----I found my temps starting to jump dramatically above 1.475 vcore

1.55 - 1.6 was my sweet spot for Vdcore...

And I had to have an EXCELLENT air cooler

*SRTDodge05* · 12-20-2005, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrr6

Absolutely-----I found my temps starting to jump dramatically above 1.475 vcore

1.55 - 1.6 was my sweet spot for Vdcore...

And I had to have an EXCELLENT air cooler

what kind of temps are you getting? i set my x2 4200+ to 2.7ghz @ 1.55v and i was hitting 62c and i have the same fan as you. Thermaltake Big Typhoon

*polonyc2* · 12-20-2005, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrr6

Driver here:----the one you quote is correct "AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.2 -"

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13118,00.html

Hotfix Here:

http://www.amdzone.com/files/WinXPdualcorehotfix.exe

Hotfix Explanation Here:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=896256

I also installed the registry hack that is described in the hotfix although it seems to indicate that this is a way to turn the hotfix off.....

Several people on several forums claim the registry hack is necessary to ensure the hotfix is actually turned on-----just make sure 1 is set in the Value data box to enable the new performance state policy behavior.

Also don't download the Cool 'n Quiet driver and ensure Cool "n Quiet is disabled in Bios.

Get 81.95 or above Nvidia Drivers and 5.12 Catalyst----both are written to better support Dual core.

thanks for the info!!

johnrr6 · 12-20-2005, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSgtJoe2005

what kind of temps are you getting? i set my x2 4200+ to 2.7ghz @ 1.55v and i was hitting 62c and i have the same fan as you. Thermaltake Big Typhoon

Joe----I removed the IHS

Temps never went higher than 46C

With the IHS on----and that cooler-----62 sounds about right

I also put a tad more powerful 120 fan on it----still quiet, but the RPM is more like 1900-2000

a 120 x 38 Slow speed Panaflo would be, IMHO, a superb fan for that cooler

I also lapped it REALLY good.....

The lapp on that cooler is horrible!

*SRTDodge05* · 12-20-2005, 11:08 PM

was it is to get the IHS off?

*SRTDodge05* · 12-20-2005, 11:29 PM

i got my IHS off and my temp didnt go down at all.

*SRTDodge05* · 12-20-2005, 11:40 PM

heres a screen shot.

12-16-2005, 11:40 AM	#1
yumade Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austin,,Amsterdam Posts: 139	Gaming CPU 64 X2 3800+ Or 64 4000+ Im looking to build a new gaming rig and was jst wondering what would be a good buy. Id like to spend max $350 on a cpu. and 150 on a mobo. What would be the way to go dual core or single core. thanks __________________ A64 x2 3800+ @ 2.5 Asus a8n32 Sli Deluxe Evga 7800gt @ 500 - 1.15 2 x 1024 Corsair 2.5-3-3-5 Seagate 80g Sata / 80g IDE Seasonic S-12 500w ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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yumade Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austin,,Amsterdam Posts: 139	Thank you __________________ A64 x2 3800+ @ 2.5 Asus a8n32 Sli Deluxe Evga 7800gt @ 500 - 1.15 2 x 1024 Corsair 2.5-3-3-5 Seagate 80g Sata / 80g IDE Seasonic S-12 500w ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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johnrr6 Lucky Amateur Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,351	Agree I agree with Sammy------that 3800+ X2 is a whole lot of bang for the buck..... Incredible chip for about $320----less on ebay... I have built two 3800+ X2 rigs and they both are wonderful..... I have had TWO instances of prime 95 running----the task manager----Microsoft Word----Microsoft Outlook and a temp monitoring program "Smart Guardian" ALL running at the same time-----AND surf the net With NO slowdown!!! They are incredible multitaskers----just try doing all of that with ANY multithreaded Intel----or even an Intel dual core. Will bring those machines to their knees.... And when games and other apps are better written to support dual core....Oh Baby!! Just remember to do two things: 1. Load the special AMD X2 drivers 2. Do the Microsoft Windows XP Hotfix for X2 Dual Cores Good luck! John __________________ 1st Rig:-----------------------------------------------------2nd Rig: Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz------------------------------------------9850 BE at 2.6 Ghz Vista Ultimate Edition 32 Bit SP1--------------------------Vista Ultimate Edition 64 Bit SP1 AB9QuadGT, BIOS .13-------------------------------------AsRock 780G BIOS 1.50 Thermalright SI-128 HS w/JMC 120 PWM Fan------------Thermaltake Blue Orb II 4 x 1 Gig Gskill PC 6400 Micron D9's---------------------Mushkin 4 x 2 Gig PC8500 eVGA 8800 GTX--------------------------------------------ATI HD 4870 4 x 250 Gig Western Digital SATA II HDs in RAID 5-----2 x 500Gig Western Digital SATA II HDs in RAID 0 Lite-On 20x DVD Burner w/Lightscribe--------------------Samsung SATA Tru Direct DVD Burner w/Lightscribe OCZ 700 W GameXstream PSU---------------------------Silverstone 500 Watt ST50EF PSU Creative X-Fi sound----------------------------------------Azalia Onboard Sound Lian Li PC-7B Plus II Black Case--------------------------Silverstone SG01 SFF Black Case Speedlink Medusa 5.1 headphones----------------------Hauppage 1600 TV Card
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