Windows 8;

[XJ.]

Originally Posted by radeonized2

I totally agree with this too.. 8 things Microsoft needs to do to save Windows 8 | ZDNet

LOL! Very funny. One thing I really will like about Win8 is this "the ability to do a clean Windows reinstall without wiping your data or settings" - from the article. What a massive time saver!

[radeonized2]

Originally Posted by XJ.

LOL! Very funny. One thing I really will like about Win8 is this "the ability to do a clean Windows reinstall without wiping your data or settings" - from the article. What a massive time saver!

Isn't that the same as doing a repair install with XP?

[XJ.]

Originally Posted by radeonized2

Isn't that the same as doing a repair install with XP?

Yes, but I think it was a lucky side effect the which we lost with Vista and Win7. It will be nice to have back - if MS provides uses with a "classic" aero desktop choice. I like the author's idea of being able to choose your UI at the install.

[Sandog]

I think MS will do good on Windows 8. I think they learned what not to do with an OS from Vista lol. One thing that interests me is whether MS plus Intel will get trim working on SSD's in RAID with Windows 7. If that doesn't become doable then that might be enough for me to want to upgrade to Windows 8.

[XJ.]

Originally Posted by Sandog

I think MS will do good on Windows 8. I think they learned what not to do with an OS from Vista lol. One thing that interests me is whether MS plus Intel will get trim working on SSD's in RAID with Windows 7. If that doesn't become doable then that might be enough for me to want to upgrade to Windows 8.

Good point, when I do move to SSDs, I want to run a pair in RAID 0, but performance will suffer at times because of the lack of trim; as it stands now you need to pick drives with good GC under RAID.

[johnrr6]

Originally Posted by Sandog

I think MS will do good on Windows 8. I think they learned what not to do with an OS from Vista lol. One thing that interests me is whether MS plus Intel will get trim working on SSD's in RAID with Windows 7. If that doesn't become doable then that might be enough for me to want to upgrade to Windows 8.

Sandog.....load up the preview of Windows 8 and tell me what you think....

For me...... it was just bad, really bad!

17 years of user experience is now out the window.

Vista, was just a continuation of that user experience and it had problems and a lot of negative press. But it was still, at its core, the basic Windows operating system user experience, albeit spruced up and updated.

This Windows 8 isn't a spruce up, upgrade or even an overhaul, it's a completely different operating system!

Why they call it Windows 8 is a mystery to me. It is not a continuation of the windows series that we are so used to at all.

And..... You heard it here first.... It's going to be a monumental bomb. Because people won't want to invest the time it will take to learn this new OS and Enterprise, schools, government and even small business will stay totally away from it. In droves.......

Unless they offer a "soft cushion" classic option within the operating system which would allow you to at least continue with 17 years of hard-won knowledge----while trying to master the intricacies of the Metro interface.

But that's just my opinion and what do I know......

[johnrr6]

Originally Posted by Pentium4

Thanks for the linked article radeonized2, I totally agree with the WTF!!! I said more than that when I first installed it
However, it was easy to remove the bits I didn't like, and add what I wanted, including the Start menu (even though it is
on the right hand side), but it works great, and I can do anything I want, just like Windows 7, so will probably buy it on
release, hopefully with any bugs ironed out

Yes, I will probably do the same thing no matter what.

We are, after all, enthusiasts----and that brings with it a certain amount of responsibility to be on the bleeding edge.

But isn't it strange that we will have to buy a brand-new operating system with all the bells and whistles and then "hack it" just to get it to work the way we want it to.

There is something ironic about what I just said. LOL

[Sandog]

Tablets and internet phones are increasingly popular and this is where this OS might flouresh. I do not intend on paying another $200 to MS for Windows 8, that is why I hope SSD in RAID support comes to Windows 7.

[johnrr6]

Originally Posted by Sandog

Tablets and internet phones are increasingly popular and this is where this OS might flouresh. I do not intend on paying another $200 to MS for Windows 8, that is why I hope SSD in RAID support comes to Windows 7.

OK----I see your point....

I was thinking the PC market for Win 8

Which, I predict, will be small....

Except for it being preloaded on new PC machines....
and enthusiasts and "experimenters" trying it....

Who is going to buy it?

Enterprise and Big Business = No
Education and Schools = No
Government = No
Military = No
Small Business = No

Not a good scenario for the Redmond boys....
America (at least for the relative future, still does "Real Work on Real Computers (PCs)"

This Windows 8 offering does not lend itself to the "Real Work" people and machines currently in use.

and it's gonna be bad.....Think Vista only 1000 times worse.....

I wouldn't be surprised if the US Government doesn't step in and armtwist MS to come up with a more PC friendly version in order to "help the economy and safeguard national defense"......

gosh, I sound so gloomey and doomey.....

I am really not that kind of guy LOL

[Pentium4]

Originally Posted by johnrr6

Yes, I will probably do the same thing no matter what.

We are, after all, enthusiasts----and that brings with it a certain amount of responsibility to be on the bleeding edge.

But isn't it strange that we will have to buy a brand-new operating system with all the bells and whistles and then "hack it" just to get it to work the way we want it to.

There is something ironic about what I just said. LOL

I have actually done that on nearly all the OS's I've bought over the years, from day one I like a single fast drive with a C: partition for the OS,
and on the D: partition are my apps, games, files, etc. I also keep small pre-made folders with my programs that I keep in the Start Menu.

In each of my OS's, I simply delete/uninstall all the built in crap, and add in, and setup exactly what I want, and the way I want it to appear, not
what some shmuck thinks I need or want. Have done that from the early Windows days as I always hated the way the default menus were setup,
and loaded with crap I never used or needed.

My long winded point is that I have always done that, so moving to Windows 8, and doing it again is really no different, except of course they did
there damned best to frak up the menus even more than normal, so like Sir Skully said, you've got to use the ole brainbox a bit more to get things
to look right

[johnrr6]

Originally Posted by Pentium4

I have actually done that on nearly all the OS's I've bought over the years, from day one I like a single fast drive with a C: partition for the OS,
and on the D: partition are my apps, games, files, etc. I also keep small pre-made folders with my programs that I keep in the Start Menu.

In each of my OS's, I simply delete/uninstall all the built in crap, and add in, and setup exactly what I want, and the way I want it to appear, not
what some shmuck thinks I need or want. Have done that from the early Windows days as I always hated the way the default menus were setup,
and loaded with crap I never used or needed.

My long winded point is that I have always done that, so moving to Windows 8, and doing it again is really no different, except of course they did
there damned best to frak up the menus even more than normal, so like Sir Skully said, you've got to use the ole brainbox a bit more to get things
to look right

Yes....I do the same thing basically.....with every new machine...."Personalize it"

But the difference with Windows 8 is that I will have to use non-Microsoft, 3rd Party stuff to make that happen.....

And that makes me nervous as updates and patches will likely break the 3rd Party hacks.....

And it will be a constant battle.....

[PeterT]

Originally Posted by johnrr6

Yes....I do the same thing basically.....with every new machine...."Personalize it"

But the difference with Windows 8 is that I will have to use non-Microsoft, 3rd Party stuff to make that happen.....

And that makes me nervous as updates and patches will likely break the 3rd Party hacks.....

And it will be a constant battle.....

And, there is something wrong with having to 'hack' Windows to make a Windows PC look and feel like a Windows PC, instead of a phone/tablet/handheld device.

[radeonized2]

I don't hack win-7 or XP's user interface to make it work the way I want it. I mostly just customize how it looks.

[XJ.]

Originally Posted by Sandog

Tablets and internet phones are increasingly popular and this is where this OS might flouresh. I do not intend on paying another $200 to MS for Windows 8, that is why I hope SSD in RAID support comes to Windows 7.

Same here, I had high hopes for SP2, but it's not looking good: Windows 7 Service Pack 2: what to expect | News | TechRadar

[WolfSoul]

Perhaps MS needs to take a step back look at what they had going for them and ignore their hunger for greed