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Old 03-19-2017, 04:59 PM   #691
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Spent a couple of hours yesterday and today tweaking in BIOS for my CPU. I tell you it is a like/hate relationship with the Broadwell-E. I for sure would have kept the 5930K knowing what I do now. First off, here is a CPU temp monitor utility I like, RealTemp hasn't been updated in years and this one has a couple of more goodies. It shows load on each individual core and has core voltage and frequency. I watch this the whole time while a benchmark runs.

Core Temp 1.7

There are a lot of setting combo's in BIOS and in working with the Intel Turbo driver. Really the X99 and Broadwell-E are rebadged or direct descendants of the C610 chipset and Xeon CPU. The feature of having a single core go to 4.0GHz is good for servers and such but for OC enthusiasts it is not enough.

With trying to auto-clock cores so they go to 1200MHz at idle, they will only reach a max of 3700MHz during multicore benches. I also found out most or all of the crashes I encounter benchmarking are due to my lofty Corsair memory. Corsair makes 3 flavors of my memory. All are 4x16GB DDR4 2400 but there is a CL14, CL12, & CL10 version. The CL14 and CL12 run at 1.2V and the CL10 runs at 1.35V. Well I have the CL12 and I always run at stock XMP but if I OC the CPU (default Uncore>2800MHz) I will get crashes when reaching the AES/Mandel/Ray Tracing benchmark in AIDA64. After cranking up my VDDR up a bit it gets rid of the crashes.

In order to run at +4.0GHz on multi cores I have to lock the cores at those speeds. If you do this, there is really no reason to have the Broadwell-E and you have to deal with the Turbo Boost driver. Whatever online benchmarks show the 6850K slightly ahead of the 5930K its due to the 100MHz increase in core clock.

Right now I am running in OC mode and using TPU II which is all cores 4.0 and my best core at 4.2 and this is fulltime. It runs great and is fast. Much more IPC than my old Gulftown I sold XJ but the funny thing is I use to run my i7-970 with all 6 cores at 4.2GHz. That was a long time ago.
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Old 03-31-2017, 08:49 PM   #692
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Re: Asus ROG RAMPAGE V EDITION 10

RAMPAGE V EDITION 10 BIOS 1503

1. Improve system performance
2. Add in turn-off function of LED under S3/S4/S5 status.
3. Fixed Samsung device (SM961, printer) issues.


In BIOS I noticed a new setting to turn off the ROG LED's when in S6.
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Old 04-01-2017, 02:19 PM   #693
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Yeap got a new setup going with the LED's. First, the new option to turn ROG LED's off in non-S0 is nice. Ever since I've owned this mobo the LED's have been cycling colors as long as the power supply was plugged in. Now, they finally go off when I have the computer off. The trick is use the new option in BIOS and do not install the Aura software for mobo's. I think ASUS is fading is out because I do not see much support for it. Graphics Aura is getting updated though and I use it. If you use the Aura (for mobo's) in Windows, it keeps the LED's on (in BIOS). I have my LED's controlled through BIOS now. I have them set to Breathing mode/Red. Both my mobo and video card are breathing blood red and cycling together inside Windows. When I shut down the only light I see behind my smokey window is the white power LED on the STRIX card and the red reset and start buttons on the mobo. :CHEERS:
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Old 04-01-2017, 02:41 PM   #694
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One more thing. I have had issues with my machine crashing while doing some easy OCing and running AIDA64 benchmark. It has been doing it for a while when I first messed with my new 6850K and recently. A couple of weeks ago I was just running in TPU 1 which is 4.1GHz and the rest 3.9GHz. That is not far from the stock 4.0/3.8GHz and it would crash in the AIDA64 benchmark. I got that familiar blue screen saying MS is being contacted due to and error and it reboots. It would happen sometimes and not others and this is without messing with Uncore (2800MHz default).

Well with such an easy CPU OC I figured it has to memory problems so I upped the VDDR from 1.2V to 1.25V and now it works great. I mentioned before Corsair has 3 version of this memory.

CL14 1.2V
CL12 1.2V
CL10 1.35V

Do you see how the CL12 appears stuck on the fence? Well I believe it is so I emailed Corsair support and told them that at stock settings AIDA64 was crashing and guess what they said?

"I suggest not running that benchmark if memory's giving you only a problem within it."
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Re: Asus ROG RAMPAGE V EDITION 10

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RAMPAGE V EDITION 10 BIOS 1503

1. Improve system performance
2. Add in turn-off function of LED under S3/S4/S5 status.
3. Fixed Samsung device (SM961, printer) issues.


In BIOS I noticed a new setting to turn off the ROG LED's when in S6.
Thanks bud, downloaded and flashed, all went well.
Had to run AL suite 3 again...
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:43 AM   #696
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Hey Skully I am seriously considering going back to the i7-5930K, a 2 year older chip with slower memory bus. The Turbo 3.0 stuff is not for Enthusiasts IMO. It only picks the best core which is constant and boosts it to 4.0GHz while the remainder hold at 3.8GHz. If you use multicore all 6 cores max out at 3.7GHz. I do not like having to run a driver for my CPU and having a Taskbar icon for it. The 6850K makes for a perfect CPU if you run stock but I feel I am under utilizing my rig if I run at stock with this $550 water cooled mobo. The 6850K is also not a good OCer IMO. It has a much smaller die size over the Haswell E and it makes heat dissipation more difficult. I also have stability issues with it OC just to 4.1GHz with my memory. I never had any issues with the 5930K OC to 4.3GHz. Like I said before, this Turbo 3.0 stuff is fine for stock Xeon workstation environments but is doesn't really fit into home enthusiast setups.

I have thought about changing back many times. I had issues with AIDA64 crashing before but I thought it was just the new settings in BIOS and that the BIOS might be green for the newer Broadwell E. But recently I discovered the same crashes in AIDA64. It just doesn't seem to work well during this benchmark. Several other utilities visually change and act weird during the benchmark as well. The Haswell E also runs fine at DDR4-2400MHz.

Last time I was frustrated and looking several months ago I was surprised how expensive the 5930K was. More than I paid originally. Yesterday I tried to buy one off Ebay but stupid auto bidders got me.
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Sandog there is a new Aida 64 that just came out!
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Yea NE is asking for the Intel Core i7-5930K $620. I paid $499. back in
2/23/16... Wow! Sorry to hear you're having trouble with your 6850K cpu.
I've had no problems with me 5930, runs stable with a 4.5 oc....
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:24 PM   #699
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I paid you $434 for mine and the cheapest I have seen it is $550. I plan on getting it. I really thought hard about giving my old one up. I just couldn't have known what I know now without experiencing the 6850K. I am positive though I have to get rid of the 6850K, I will never be satisfied with it. If you would like to try it Skully I will gladly swap out with you.
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I paid you $434 for mine and the cheapest I have seen it is $550. I plan on getting it. I really thought hard about giving my old one up. I just couldn't have known what I know now without experiencing the 6850K. I am positive though I have to get rid of the 6850K, I will never be satisfied with it. If you would like to try it Skully I will gladly swap out with you.
I don't think I'd be interested, everything is running smooth @ this time.
Most likely won't do any up grading for a while, later this year.
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Yeah, I think it is best to keep with the Intel Tock side of things (new architecture) since it is on a legacy die size. Sandy Bridge and Haswell-E were both Tocks. I liked the 22nm die size. the i7-5XXX series run great. I even read up on the 5960X and it does 4.5GHz. I think the newer CPU's are going to be harder to OC because of the heat generated per area is too large. Skylake-E will be no different than Broadwell-E (same 14nm hard to cool die).
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Hey Skully I have seriously been looking at the i7-5960X for over a week now. I have been reading reviews and lots of user comments. In fact, I tried to buy one last week for $850 but got taken by someone else on Ebay.

The thing is I feel Haswell-E is a very good processor because it OCs very well. The Broadwell-E is really abysmal at OC and in fact I cant remember a CPU failing in benchmarks like the one I have. The reason IMO it does not like to OC is the die size is very compact and maybe because of Turbo 3.0 and also it is the first CPU to 2400MHz DDR bus but that shouldn't be a problem for Intel, most CPUs go over 3000MHz with memory.

Anyway the thing about the Haswell-E 5960X is it is a great OCer. From all the reading I have done 4.5GHz is pretty common on this CPU and 4.3GHz is a piece of cake. 4.3GHz is where I would be running my 5930K anyway. I am really feeling if there is a time to move to 8 core, the 5960X is the one to do it with. Skylake-E will be on the same 14nm die as Broadwell-E and I don't have confidence in it OCing either and it will be on a different socket which means new mobo. The only saving grace for Skylake is if they move the models down a peg and the 8-core becomes the old 6-core in pricing but I have not heard of that yet.

Yeap, now is the time to cross over to 8-core with the 5960X. I don't think there will be a better processor to do it with. I definitely do not need 8 cores but if I get it and run at 4.3GHz I lose nothing in the way of speed. It might get me back to that feeling I had with the venerable i7-9XX series (Gulftown). Also, I always run HT but if I get this bad boy I think I will turn HT off on my OC.

Here is a good video, you can watch the whole thing which he talks about the X99 platform but I started it on the i7-5960X

Intel Core i7 5960X Extreme Edition - The Eight Core Monster

Here is recent news on the upcoming Skylake.

ocaholic - Intel Core i7-7740K spotted - Intel - News

There should be a 4-6-8-10 core for the Skylake-E X299 chipset with LGA 2066 socket. The new 4 core will be based off Kaby Lake mainstream with the designation 'X' and the iGPU disabled but will be for socket 2066. Why you would want this I don't know unless this CPU hits +5GHz (hint, hint). Anyway, why would I want to get rid of my ASUS ROG Rampage V Edition 10 Year Anniversary mobo?

There is always something better but IMO the Haswell-E hits the nail on the head for OCing, stability, being able to cool it, and no crap. What more can you want in a CPU?
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Sandog there is a new Aida 64 that just came out!
Thanks FVB, yeah I always get the latest. Right now I use;

GPU Tweak II for my video card. I also have ROG Furmark installed.
CPU-Z to check my memory speed/timings and uncore speed.
GPU-Z to easily watch my video card core and memory boost speeds.
CPUID Hardware Monitor to see my individual core freq's, fan speed, and voltages.
AIDA64 to run CPU benchmark.

I do not have ASUS AI Suite or Intel Tuning Utility installed.
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Hey Sandog, the i7-5960X is way more processor then I need.
It would be good for bragging rights only. Most of the cores would
wind up with cobwebs, mayhaps me thinketh...
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Hey Sandog, the i7-5960X is way more processor then I need.
It would be good for bragging rights only. Most of the cores would
wind up with cobwebs, mayhaps me thinketh...
Yeah I know but if you ever were to move on to an 8-core the 5960X is the one to get from all the points I made above. I would like to have it on this ROG Rampage V Edition 10 mobo. The i7-5960X seems high dollar but the i7-5930K is near $600 already as well as the i7-6850K (over $600) and also this is the last $1K Extreme Edition CPU. The Broadwell-E 10-core Extreme Edition CPU is $1700. From here on out the top Extreme Edition CPU's will definitely be out of my purchase consideration. Also, the i7-5960K won't be around much longer. It is getting long in the tooth like the 5930K and in 6mos the only ones left will have skyrocketed.
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