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Old 10-13-2017, 04:13 AM   #1
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Tim Cook: Learning to Code More Important than English

Tim Cook Says Learning How to Code is More Important than English as a Second Language Story here

I disagree with that, however the interesting question is: Should we be teaching children to code alongside subjects like english and math? I think theres a few schools doing this already to varying degrees.

But if you agree that kids should learn to code, then which programming language would you choose?

I think what I'd actually like to see is young children being taught logic and then propositional calculus and predicate calculus from a young age with it ramping up as they progress, but thats just my 2 cents.

There used to be a clever programming software tool that was supposed to teach kids the basics visually, I forget what it was called, but it had an animated mouse on the screen and the kids had to give it dimple instructions to achieve goals, essentially write a piece of procedural code. They could then watch the mouse follow the code as they'd developed it. By trial and error they would improve the code, thereby learning the basics.

What are kids learning today in school about logic or software engineering? Anyone know?
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Re: Tim Cook: Learning to Code More Important than English

I don't think kids here in the US learn anything in our schools....except about the latest app on there phones.
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Tim Cook and I are alumni.
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Tim Cook and I are alumni.
Does he know you run windows....lol
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I love apple. Apple pie, apple sauce, apple spice cake lol. We have an iPad and that is it. I think the wife would like a Windows pad better.
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I love apple. Apple pie, apple sauce, apple spice cake lol. We have an iPad and that is it. I think the wife would like a Windows pad better.
I'm with you Sandog, Apple pie is one of my favorites....good morning.
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Re: Tim Cook: Learning to Code More Important than English

When you learn code, you understand and apply Algorithms. That goes along way in any endeavor you choose!
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Re: Tim Cook: Learning to Code More Important than English

i think coding can help to keep the brain nimble like any other cognitive activity, but i dont understand the almost hysteria I'm seeing around teaching kids to code for "future jobs".
Why would coding still be around in 15 or 20 years anyway?
Why wouldnt an A.I. do it? Even if some humans will still be doing it, so what? Thats not the brains end of the business anyhow? Applications need to be envisioned and designed before they can be coded.
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Re: Tim Cook: Learning to Code More Important than English

In real world day to day dealings, algorithms as a state of mind are a must. They even teach Critical Thinking now is some of the better High Schools.

Although some of the Nimrods I deal with leave me wondering!
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