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Old 10-21-2017, 01:28 PM   #46
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That 1TB 960 pro is ball buster.... That is going to be one nice system....
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Re: Z370 compaired to X299 Builds!

That 1TB 960 pro is ball buster....

Only a five-yr warranty as well. I am still at 100% life remaining with my SATA SSD. Don't forget the extra cost of Angelbird!

I am pretty well-off. However, I did not get that way by throwing money at something without doing a cost/benefit exercise.

May drop the GPU and NVM to a later time.
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That 1TB 960 pro is ball buster....

Only a five-yr warranty as well. I am still at 100% life remaining with my SATA SSD. Don't forget the extra cost of Angelbird!
Yeah that is $75 more, you know that new Samsung nvme drive that you posted about might be out by the time we build it could be a lot cheaper...ram is really expensive right now also!
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Re: Z370 compaired to X299 Builds!

The WS is in the April/May/June timeframe. So your right things can go down by then. Of course they could go up too!

Once again, my Z97 WS is rock solid. I can wait.
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The WS is in the April/May/June timeframe. So your right things can go down by then. Of course they could go up too!

Once again, my Z97 WS is rock solid. I can wait.
Jim my Maximus Formula has been rock solit also, only problem was the sound card popping on start up...could be another option!
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That 1TB 960 pro is ball buster....

Only a five-yr warranty as well. I am still at 100% life remaining with my SATA SSD. Don't forget the extra cost of Angelbird!

I am pretty well-off. However, I did not get that way by throwing money at something without doing a cost/benefit exercise.

May drop the GPU and NVM to a later time.
Jim, why would you need the Angelbird if the motherboard has the correct slot(s)? Is it only for heat dissipation?
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Re: Z370 compaired to X299 Builds!

Hi Pete.

Yeah just for the heat. I am waiting to see the arrangement on the 370 WS concerning the NVMe placement and also if the slots will include a heatsink smiliar to offerings on some of their newer boards.
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Hi Pete.

Yeah just for the heat. I am waiting to see the arrangement on the 370 WS concerning the NVMe placement and also if the slots will include a heatsink smiliar to offerings on some of their newer boards.
Jim I'm going to do the same, I'll try the 960 in the M.2 (if I go with the Z370) and see what type of temps I get and what type of performance (you know everyone uses the M.2 on this MB and I don't see a lot of complaining about performance)......glad we have time for this stuff to get out in the wild....
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I was thinking that the new ASUS M.2 riser card allows you to run four NVMe SSD's on a x16 slot, providing that the CPU supports VMD. That would be the direct to the CPU lanes slot.
That would bypass any bandwidth limitations of DMI providing full 32 GB/s to each drive. I dk if that card requires 4 NVMe's to be present, but I assume not.

RAIDing those via the VMD/VROC that X299 supports would yield a pretty fast RAID (128 GB/s).

Does anyone know if Z370 supports VMD/VROC?

Theres some info here
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I was thinking that the new ASUS M.2 riser card allows you to run four NVMe SSD's on a x16 slot, providing that the CPU supports VMD. That would be the direct to the CPU lanes slot.
That would bypass any bandwidth limitations of DMI providing full 32 GB/s to each drive. I dk if that card requires 4 NVMe's to be present, but I assume not.

RAIDing those via the VMD/VROC that X299 supports would yield a pretty fast RAID (128 GB/s).

Does anyone know if Z370 supports VMD/VROC?

Theres some info here
VROC requires Intel nvme drives and a Key you buy from Intel and only on X299....its still really new, plus you would need a 40 lane cpu, like Skullys. VROC is still up in the air.
Intel's Core i9 and X299 enable crazy RAID configurations for a price | PCWorld

ASUS X299 Enables Intel Virtual RAID on CPU - RAID-0 up to 20 SSDs! | PC Perspective
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VROC requires Intel nvme drives and a Key you buy from Intel and only on X299....its still really new, plus you would need a 40 lane cpu, like Skullys. VROC is still up in the air.
Intel's Core i9 and X299 enable crazy RAID configurations for a price | PCWorld

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I think you can RAID 0 any brand SSD. (As a gamer I must admit I only ever think anout RAID 0, lol)
Where I see some use out of the riser is in providing additional M.2 connections direct to the CPU lanes. Of course, its not much use if theres limited lanes and they’re used elsewhere.

Actually, this limited lanes thing is really killing Z370 and 8700K for me. The more I look at it the more painful it feels. Tbe GPU defaults back to 8x while the M.2 gets 4x. You have to use the PCH via DMI but the CPU only has 16 lanes anyway.

I know real world gaming shows small differences between 8x and 16x graphics, but it seems to be a retrograde step.

Whats actually the difference in gaming clock for clock between an 8700K and a OC 7800X? Also I assume X299 boards and CPU's are crashing in price because 8700K is touted as "best gaming CPU". What is the bang for buck equation here? As to cores most multi-threaded games currently are only using up to 4 cores, so 6 is more than enough.

Has anyone seen any benchmarks between Skylake and Coffee Lake clock for clock, so Skylake i7 OC against stock 8700K?
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I think you can RAID 0 any brand SSD. (As a gamer I must admit I only ever think anout RAID 0, lol)
Where I see some use out of the riser is in providing additional M.2 connections direct to the CPU lanes. Of course, its not much use if theres limited lanes and they’re used elsewhere.

Actually, this limited lanes thing is really killing Z370 and 8700K for me. The more I look at it the more painful it feels. Tbe GPU defaults back to 8x while the M.2 gets 4x. You have to use the PCH via DMI but the CPU only has 16 lanes anyway.

I know real world gaming shows small differences between 8x and 16x graphics, but it seems to be a retrograde step.

Whats actually the difference in gaming clock for clock between an 8700K and a OC 7800X? Also I assume X299 boards and CPU's are crashing in price because 8700K is touted as "best gaming CPU". What is the bang for buck equation here? As to cores most multi-threaded games currently are only using up to 4 cores, so 6 is more than enough.

Has anyone seen any benchmarks between Skylake and Coffee Lake clock for clock, so Skylake i7 OC against stock 8700K?
That's how I feel if I'm going to upgrade from what I have now I'm pretty sure its going to be to the X299 platform. Like you said the price on the X299 might come down a bit and at least will be more mature platform!
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That's how I feel if I'm going to upgrade from what I have now I'm pretty sure its going to be to the X299 platform. Like you said the price on the X299 might come down a bit and at least will be more mature platform!
I expect the price will come down quite a bit with all this fanfare around for the 8700K.

I think the heat issue with 8700K is also another serious consideration.
Obviously an OC 8700K will be faster than an OC 7800X because it can hit higher clocks (especially in single threaded gaming) but it needs water cooling from what I've seen so far, otherwise the CPU easily throttles. That means the headroom for OC on Coffee lake is less than for Skylake. The 7800X OC is well managed on air, I believe.

Thats why I'm interested in seeing high end gaming benchmarks between a stable air cooled OC 8700K and a stable OC 7800X. It may be that an easy OC on Skylake is very close in performance to an easy OC on Coffee lake due to the reduced OC headroom on Coffee lake.
I'm not averse to an easy OC providing that it doesnt stress my gear too much reducing reliability or longevity significantly. If its easy and well managed by the system then why not? I'm not talking about high volts and water cooling levels here or liquid nitrogen, lol, just a simple, easy, highly reliable air OC.

Btw, when I wrote that the 8700K CPU has 16 lanes, I meant available. I believe there must be 4 reserved for the DMI/PCH so actually there must be 20 in all. Someone correct me if thats wrong?
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