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Old 07-07-2003, 05:15 PM   #91
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Because the last Gigabyte board I bought had a faulty voltage regulator that Gigabyte knew about but the boards were still being sold. It was so bad a GeForce 4 or 3 card would not run on the board unless you set the vCore up 10% which in turn left you no room to overclock and ran you CPU hot. It also was not stable that way either. They would let you RMA it but the RMA fix was not that good either. They released a revision 2.0 of the board finally because it was so bad. That board also fried at the time my new Athlon XP 2200 chip. So basically I wont touch Gigabyte again. I have never once had a problem with Asus boards that was not fixed in a BIOS update or something. I know some have but I have never had one go bad on me. I have owned now I think at least 10 Asus boards and not one went bad.

So it will take a lot for me not to buy an Asus board. Gigabyte on the other hand as far as for me can take a flying leap. Last but not least ATI cards don't like to be run above 66 Mhz at all anyway so i'm fine keeping my PCI/AGP to 33/66
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Old 07-07-2003, 05:43 PM   #92
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How about the northbridge heatsink, is it still so close to cpu thingy?
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Old 07-07-2003, 06:04 PM   #93
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No they turned the HS so its no longer mounted at an angle like it was where the corner would get in the way of big Heatsinks like my Swiftech MCX 4000. Believe me if I can get this honkin heatsink on the board with no problem i'm sure any other will fit without issue. Not to mention its a cool black color now. Here check out the picture of both boards so you can compair.

P4C800 Deluxe:


P4C800-E Deluxe


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Old 07-07-2003, 08:25 PM   #94
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both pictures are of Asus board
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Old 07-07-2003, 08:34 PM   #95
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Ive got a few nice pics of the P4C800-E on my link below
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Old 07-07-2003, 10:46 PM   #96
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both pictures are of Asus board
Why yes they are because the guy asked about the difference in northbridge heatsinks on the Asus P4C800 and the P4C800-E so thus the two pictures of them.
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Old 07-07-2003, 10:52 PM   #97
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Guys really quick question (Excellent, excellent thread by the way, I've learned lots already.) Have the problems with IDE drives in RAID0 gone away with the new -E class board? I was reading HardOCP's review of the P4P800 Deluxe and IDE Raid0 was getting 80% CPU utilization

Can anyone with IDE in RAID0 with this board comment on their experience?
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Old 07-07-2003, 11:35 PM   #98
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Hmm I have not noticed this but I will keep an eye out for it.
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Old 07-07-2003, 11:53 PM   #99
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Yea lol I should have looked into this before buying 2x200GB Western Digital 8MB's
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Old 07-08-2003, 07:37 AM   #100
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Why did you buy Asus P4C800-E and not Gigabyte 8KNXP?
well i for one had the 8knxp, although it was a stable rock solid board with alot of goodies,..i am, and always will be an avid overclocker and that is the only dept that the 8knxp faultered in. With bios revisions i am sure the gigabyte would be a good overclocker but gigabyte always drags their feet when it comes to bios releases. The settings i run in now would choke on the 8knxp on boot, being that the 8knxp and the p4c800-e are both the same chipset proves that only a lacking bios faultered the 8knxp, both boards used the same hardware ie; mem, proc, psu etc.. and where the gigabyte choked the asus runs like a champ.

However i will say this, the 8knxp is a beautiful looking board with alot of features for the $, being that i have always owned a asus board and my first gigabyte board was the sinxp (also another great board) before that was a p4s8x (big dissapointment and the reason i shifted to gigabyte), Tua266, tusl2-c, and cusl2c (a legend in its time).

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Old 07-08-2003, 09:11 AM   #101
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Have the problems with IDE drives in RAID0 gone away with the new -E class board? I was reading HardOCP's review of the P4P800 Deluxe and IDE Raid0 was getting 80% CPU utilization

Can anyone with IDE in RAID0 with this board comment on their experience?
I've been reading about the Raids dropping drives but haven't seen anything about the 80% CPU? I have the regular P4C800 (my -E version gets here today hopefully) with the Promise RAID controller full:

(2) Western Digital Raptor WD360GD 36.7GB Serial ATA 10,000RPM on the SATA channels (system disk)
(2) IBM (Hitachi) Deskstar 180GXP 80GB ATA100 7200RPM HD on the IDE channel (video and DVD storage)

The Raptors always ran beautifully but the PATA array took a little tweaking. First, the new Promise driver made a huge difference (V1.0.1.30). Second the PATA vs SATA vs SATA+PATA config setting in BIOS made a big difference - see note in Sandra below.

The CPU has NEVER gone over 11% during the literally hundreds of benchmarks I've done on the disk subsystem. Generally it stays between 6% and 10%.

IBM (Hitachi) array PATA 1 channel Master and Slave:

SiSoftware Sandra 2003

Promise 1.00.1.30 driver
BIOS IDE Configuration = P-ATA (vs P-ATA + S-ATA - This made a big diff in writes!)

Test Status
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No
Windows Disk Cache Used : No
Use Overlapped I/O : Yes
Command Queue Depth : 4 command(s)
Test File Size : 1023MB
File Server Optimised : Yes

Benchmark Breakdown

Drive Index = 45,007 kB/s
Buffered Read : 1226 MB/s
Sequential Read : 71 MB/s
Random Read : 3784 kB/s
Buffered Write : 1065 MB/s
Sequential Write : 66 MB/s
Random Write : 11 MB/s
Average Access Time : 16 ms (estimated)

Raptor Array SATA 2 channels:

SiSoftware Sandra 2003 Pro

After update to new Promise driver - v 1.0.1.30

Test Status
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No
Windows Disk Cache Used : No
Use Overlapped I/O : Yes
Command Queue Depth : 4 command(s)
Test File Size : 1023MB
File Server Optimised : No

Benchmark Breakdown
Buffered Read : 1022 MB/s
Sequential Read : 100 MB/s
Random Read : 10 MB/s
Buffered Write : 936 MB/s
Sequential Write : 81 MB/s
Random Write : 18 MB/s
Average Access Time : 5 ms (estimated)

Will be interesting to see how the ICHR stacks up against the Promise once I get my -E board.

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Old 07-08-2003, 12:02 PM   #102
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Can you revise your numbers a little bit, I saw 1226MB/sec and Im assuming its 126MB/sec (lol). Now your saying that PATA performance with the regular P4C800 is good? Nice
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Old 07-08-2003, 01:45 PM   #103
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No they turned the HS so its no longer mounted at an angle like it was where the corner would get in the way of big Heatsinks like my Swiftech MCX 4000. Believe me if I can get this honkin heatsink on the board with no problem i'm sure any other will fit without issue. Not to mention its a cool black color now. Here check out the picture of both boards so you can compair.

P4C800 Deluxe:


P4C800-E Deluxe


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One thing i never figured out... did anyone have P4C800 Dlx with the angled NB heatsink? I have both DLX & E-DLX and only difference was black anodized vs silver not the angle or type of HS.
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Old 07-08-2003, 03:32 PM   #104
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I think they changed the mounting once they found out the problems it was causing, even on the P4C800's
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Old 07-08-2003, 08:04 PM   #105
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Sorry don't feel like reading the whole thread. Is revision 1.02 of the P4C800E the only one out? I think I'm going to get one since my P4P800 don't overclock all that well. Either that or my 2.6C won't do 3.0Ghz stable and that's only at 230 MHz FSB. (and it's NOT my RAM holding me back)
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