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Old 05-11-2012, 07:14 AM   #1
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This is a thread for non-UK members. Reason ? I have been around since the free Health Service was introduced decades ago, there is nothing to be gained by any UK contributions.

In the UK everybody gets free health care except people who work hard for a living and are not on any kind of benefits who have to pay $12.33 per prescribed item. It is an amount that many just cannot afford. People on any kind of benefits or about 50% of the population are exempt from this charge. Old people over 60 also get all services free including prescriptions.

Yes, the public do abuse free health care - you get a surgery crowded with Mum`s who are taking little Fred to the Doctor just because he coughed twice and some person who has an itch on their butt wasting time and money, but when you offer a free service, that is what you get.

Foreign immigrants and asylum seekers - you know those scumbag parasites who infest every Western nation, get their health care free, whereas the British people have had to pay weekly subscriptions out of their pay packets all their working lives.

I would like to know how other countries provide Health Care for their people. I have heard for instance that in the USA, many thousands of people have lost their homes by having to pay health costs.

My attitude is that the population of a country IS the country and the Government are morally obligated to provide free health care for their people.

Having said that, to provide free health care for the population is an astronomic cost, but rather pay that through taxes than squander Billions on armaments or some hair-brained activities that are nothing but scandalous.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:26 AM   #2
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Re: Health Care

The health care 'system' in the US is dysfunctional despite the fact that we spend more per capita than any other 'first world' country.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:12 AM   #3
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The United State is the only industrialized country in the world that does not have standardized health care for it's citizens. Obama tried to rectify this, but was stymied at every turn by the republicans. Here, there are grave injustices to our health care system. Many Americans (like myself at present) don't have any insurance at all. The health industry in America is one big racket where the wealthy receive much better care than the not so wealthy. Call me strange, but I don't think ones level of treatment should be commiserate with their income. I could go on and on with this subject, but I don't expect much will be done about it.
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The United State is the only industrialized country in the world that does not have standardized health care for it's citizens. Obama tried to rectify this, but was stymied at every turn by the republicans. Here, there are grave injustices to our health care system. Many Americans (like myself at present) don't have any insurance at all. The health industry in America is one big racket where the wealthy receive much better care than the not so wealthy. Call me strange, but I don't think ones level of treatment should be commiserate with their income. I could go on and on with this subject, but I don't expect much will be done about it.
There is a simple solution to the health care mess in the US and no one in power has the courage to pursue it: Non-profit, single-payer health insurance, e.g. Medicare for all.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:00 AM   #5
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Re: Health Care

Obama did try to implement such a thing. For that he was called a socialist among other names. I'm not saying I'm a Obama fan. I'm not, but I agreed with the health care overhaul. Politicians, especially republicans, are in bed with the health care industry. It's private companies that stand to lose a lot of money when they can't do things like deny someone for preexisting conditions or charge someone huge premiums with no checks in place. I think it's nothing short of criminal. Oh well I just hope I don't get sick until I come up with some healthcare of my own.
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I agree that he did try and it is better than nothing. But, the result falls terribly short and goes in the wrong direction (more privatization).
I was very disappointed that when push came to shove, he did not have the courage (or power?) to insist on inclusion of a 'public option', i.e. Medicare for all.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:29 AM   #7
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When I raised this thread, I primarily had in mind the greatest nation on Earth the United States.

I know that many countries in the world treat their citizens as expendable collateral and care nothing about their health and welfare. These are not the countries I care about. My concern is the "Western" democracies of Europe, North America and Australasia.

Don`t know about our friends "down under", but I believe Europe have a satisfactory Health Care arrangement for their citizens and as I have already said, the UK go over board in generosity to just about anything that moves at the expense of our hard pressed tax payers.

What I do feel so sad about is the US Governments consistent disregard for the health of it`s people. I have had it said to me by Americans that they cannot afford to be ill and see a Doctor, whilst thousands of others have lost their homes paying medical bills.

This kind of situation with the greatest nation on Earth where countless thousands, possible millions of Americans have died for their country in brutal wars, hair-brained squabbles or political conflicts and their families lives wrecked forever, is a revolting condemnation of successive US Governments callous attitude.

Here we are, where nearly every American home pathetically flies their national flag with pride and what do successive US Governments think of these patriotic and wonderful people - NOTHING !

They can die or get maimed for life in bloody conflicts, for their country, but their country cares nothing for their health and welfare or if they die of natural causes provided that it is at their own expense.

I doubt whether more than a handful of people in the entire world realize that the freedom they enjoy today has been payed for in American blood, agony and suffering. I certainly do and will be forever grateful !

When the US Government glibly spends around $53 Billion each year on fruitless foreign aid and war related expenses in Afghanistan, I am astonished that they cannot provide a few Dimes to ensure adequate health care for their own people. Unbelievable ! To make the matter more insane, the US are the world`s greatest debtors by a long chalk at over $14 Trillion.

I think I need a very big Jack Daniels.

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I agree that he did try and it is better than nothing. But, the result falls terribly short and goes in the wrong direction (more privatization).
I was very disappointed that when push came to shove, he did not have the courage (or power?) to insist on inclusion of a 'public option', i.e. Medicare for all.
Peter,

From what you say, Obama is a humane thinking person with people in mind. The trouble is he works in the close confines of a so called "Democracy" profile, where powerful people are in very powerful positions. He has to compromise to please these people - the Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, the Secret Service, the Police, the Republican Party etc.

Obviously he has to tread carefully to survive. Ruffle too many feathers seriously and yet another conspiracy may well be hatched up to ensure his sudden departure from office.

Being President, he has the power to sack all his positional threats, but he does not. Many times you do not know the baddies around you - Et tu Brute.

Hitler and Stalin never lost much sleep sussing out their threats, they just killed the lot and replaced them with personally approved Yes-men.
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What you forgot in that list are the real people with power. That would be the corporations. There are many that believe democracy is just an illusion falsely depicting the power of choice. The older I get the more I believe this as well. The people have no power. The president has no real power either. He is simply a puppet for the masses. It is hard for me to grant any top politician with any altruistic merit.
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What you forgot in that list are the real people with power. That would be the corporations...

And despite what some may claim, corporations are NOT 'the people' and money does NOT equal 'speech'.
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And despite what some may claim, corporations are NOT 'the people' and money does NOT equal 'speech'.
By the people for the people.... I mean can anyone with any sense say that with a straight face? Healthcare is a perfect example of the power of the ones who actually call the shots. Wide spread propaganda, getting people to believe that standardized healthcare is "socialist". Might as well say nazi. The sad part is, those same people that believe that crap are among the ones who could benefit the most. So where was all the information describing national healcare's benefits? Wait, that's right, those same people own the media. It's almost like the issue was brought up intentionally just to manufacture it's flaws...
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I doubt whether more than a handful of people in the entire world realize that the freedom they enjoy today has been payed for in American blood, agony and suffering. I certainly do and will be forever grateful !
Freedom?

Take out your wallet. Pull out a dollar bill.

Make a list of things you can do WITHOUT it... When you can develop a decent list, then we can have a discussion about freedom.

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By the people for the people....
If that were the case, we wouldn't have tent cities, full of our homeless and unemployed, springing up across America

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Wide spread propaganda, getting people to believe that standardized healthcare is "socialist".
It is how THEY control the conversation. Doesn't it strike you as ODD when you can watch news reels from the 1980's and compare them to today's news, and low and behold... It's the SAME DAMN conversations...

Nationalization of our banking and health industries IS necessary...
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I pay $16000 a year for me and my wife for Health insurance and that stinks....PERIOD!
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I do not pay for any health care. I do not have any health insurance. I do not got to any doctors or clinics. I rarely get sick and if I do it is only minor stuff that my great physician takes care of. I am never going to die and have no fear of it.
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I do not pay for any health care. I do not have any health insurance. I do not got to any doctors or clinics. I rarely get sick and if I do it is only minor stuff that my great physician takes care of. I am never going to die and have no fear of it.
That's fine but here in California and you don't have health insurance and you own a house and get sick and have a big bill for a hospital stay, they will take your house and that's not a option for me and my wife! I've worked all my life by fishing and if I don't catch fish I don't eat, so its not a something that I can do without
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