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Old 01-27-2009, 12:08 PM   #1
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New to Virtualization on a PC

Doing some research on the question of virtualization on a PC.

Have come to these conclusions and with your help maybe I can validate some of them.

I have downloaded and installed and tried Virtual PC 2007 Sp1 and it appears easy to create a virtual image to run but no USB support except for file copy from the real system to the Virtual so that's a negative.

I also have copies of VMware player since it's free but can only run virtual image created by an other process like VPC.

Also have a copy of Virtualbox. Now to my question.

Is it safe to assume that in my scenario it would be a good idea for me to create my images with VPC2007 and run them under either Vmware or Virtual box. If so then which would be better choice.

I have agreat deal of knowledge in CP/67, CMS, Vm/370, MVS/370, MVS/390 ESA VM/ESA from both a system programmer and user perspective. All of these are virtual products or user environments. So the concept of virtualization is not new to me.
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:22 PM   #2
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

I just downloaded Virtualbox. Then installed XP on it, VirtualBox is kind of self explanatory. You can't really hurt anything by just jumping in....
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:58 PM   #3
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

I'm not certain if this is relevant to your needs:

I use Virtual PC 2007, and I can access a second physical hard drive (D: on my computer, called X: in Virtual PC).

I can copy either direction between the Virtual PC C: drive and X:. And I can copy via USB (outside of Virtual PC) to the D: drive. I'm almost certain this works while Virtual PC is running, although generally I access my D: after I've closed down Virtual PC.

I use Virtual PC to run W2000, because it's the last Windows that runs my irreplaceable DOS genealogy program. I backup my Virtual PC data from virtual C: to X: (really D). Then I can offload the data to a flash drive and put it on my laptop which still runs native W2000, or for backup to a CD.
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Old 01-27-2009, 04:24 PM   #4
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

I really like VirtualBox though I can't say I run it through its paces. Version 2.1 is clearly faster than 2.0 and I've used it for WinXP, OpenSolaris and Win7 on a Linux host.

I don't understand why you'd want to create the image using Virtual PC and not the tool you wish to use to actually run it.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:19 PM   #5
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

The issue is one of cost. VPC 2007 is free but has a few negatives. VMware is free for the player but can't create any images with player you have to pay for the VMware desktop for creation.

I haven't looked at Virtual box in any detail as far as creating images to run.

Iguess what I am also hearing is to jump in and do. Which will undoubtedly create some more questions.

Thanks for the responses.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:48 PM   #6
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

Just researched Virtualbox and I do believe it is the one I am going with. Also the fact that it seems ( Sir Skully and Kongo) are pro Virtualbox and viewing the snapshots of various images as well as the tools makes me believe it's the option to choose. I hate it when MS just goes half way and leaves the lifting to everyone else. Vis a Vi USB support. I guess maybe in VPC 2007 sp2???

Thanks. I just downloaded the docs and the x86 code. I'll keep you posted.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:03 PM   #7
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

Yeah after my own research, I concluded that VirtualBox was the one for me.
I think you'll be happy with VirtualBox, it lacks in some areas. But I believe its the best free VM.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:11 PM   #8
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

I like VBox, though VPC works well with M$ products (I run XP and Win2k8 server on VPC - Ubuntu 8.10 under VBox).

VMWare used to have a free (limited) server version - you just had to register. But, if you want DX9 and other fancy stuff, then you have to pay for VMWare Workstation.
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:37 AM   #9
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Re: New to Virtualization on a PC

I just started to look at virtual PC 2007.

It never dawned on me that you could create your images on one product,
and run them in another.

I so far have been impressed with the ease of setting up and running VPC.

But like everything else...got to get your hands dirty...with the nuts and bolts..
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