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Old 10-02-2012, 08:01 PM   #16
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Re: I hate Win 8!

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I tried the consumer preview on a laptop for a couple of months and really tried to like Win8. It's just a dawg, though. I gave up and installed Classic Shell on it, so that I could find things again, and get something done. That laptop is going back to Windows 7, for sure. Even $10 is too much money to pay for a Win8 upgrade. LoL Welcome to Classic Shell
Classic Shell will beat Win8 into submission.


There's supposed to be some way to change the colors, in the real Win8.
Thanks for the link MadCow333. That looks like a good option to make Win 8 usable; however I should not have to hack a MS OS to make it usable on a desktop PC.
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:12 PM   #17
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Re: I hate Win 8!

There is no "Classic Option" and there will not be a Classic Option.....

In fact....as the different betas went out....Microsoft was furiously yanking out any code that was allowing users an easy way back to the Start Menu and a classic look.

A hack that worked in one Beta was broken in the next......

And I agree totally......

Why on earth should I have to hack a new product that has been under development for YEARS....

Just so I can approach with decent success.....a level of productivity I enjoyed on the OLD product.

Maybe there is going to be a huge Marketing Blitz....but don't you think it kind of eerie and odd that virtually NO ONE is talking about or advertising Win 8.

No pre marketing blitz....no TV commercials....no hype.

Even the MS shill Tech sites are strangely quiet.....

It's like MS now realizes what a bomb this will be and is trying to slip it out the door quietly.

My take....this is going to go down as one of the biggest disasters in the PC World. It will make "Hate Vista" look like a love fest.

Sadly....I think it will hasten the move to mobile and the ultimate downslide of the PC.

I'm an easy going person.....and I tried HARD TWICE to like this product and see it as visionary.

Epic Fail

Nobody will buy it unless it's forced down their throat with new PC buys or thier company has a fit of insanity and "upgrades"....

In today's world....just who has the time to lose productivity AND work hard at relearning how to do even basic stuff.

It's gonna be bad folks......really bad....

Third Quarter after release-----Lowest sales figures in the history of MS
People fired at MS by 4th fiscal Quarter after release
Windows 9 announced after a year or 18 months.....after huge shakeups at MS

And this is all so unnecessary....and could be avoided entirely. Just give BOTH desktops.....classic and Metro as a choice----with enough new features that businesses, schools, and the government would WANT to upgrade----and the classic Desktop allows them to do so safely. without loss of productivity and within a 17 year user experience comfort zone.

I just don't get it
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Re: I hate Win 8!

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...I just don't get it
Nor do I.
It seems so obvious.
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Re: I hate Win 8!

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Nor do I.
It seems so obvious.
Me too.
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Re: I hate Win 8!

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There is no "Classic Option" and there will not be a Classic Option.....

And this is all so unnecessary....and could be avoided entirely. Just give BOTH desktops.....classic and Metro as a choice----
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I just don't get it
You are right. It should be easy to just ship Win 7 with Win 8 in the same box. With one Product Key.
No one would be able to critisize MS, as they would be obviously be giving the user "more".

This seems strange, in that the desktop or "front end interface", what the user sees, is only a very small part of the code that executes.

Remember PC's were initially used as GUI front ends to old Mainframe systems in the business world.

I guarantee you, they are still front ending these old IBM CICS systems for banks, insurance companies, Credit card transactions, and Department store registers.

IBM's underlying code for CICS (Customer Information Control System) was written back in 1969. Twelve years before the prototype IBM PC came out.

And in 1981, IBM was the first to call it the "personal computer" (PC), every one else was calling it a "micro computer"

Apple's microcomputer, Tandy Radio shacks microcomputer....
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after installing the Release Preview (build 8400) and using it for a few weeks my opinion is that it's not bad...I still prefer Windows 7 overall but once you get used to the layout and interface you learn to appreciate it...it's excellent under the hood and is definitely no Vista...but it will be a tough sell for MS to convince people to upgrade

the new Metro interface is totally useless unless you have a tablet PC but the traditional Desktop is still just a mouse click away...the removal of the Start Menu is the most jarring new feature which will be what most people complain about but honestly the Charms bar works in the same way once you get used to it...swiping the mouse to the right still feels weird to me but I imagine it will get easier with time...the Control Panel and a pseudo Start Menu are still available under the new Charms Bar

I also like the fact that Flash and DirectX are now incorporated into the OS itself

my prediction: I think by SP2 Microsoft will give users a way to enable the traditional Start Menu

overall I don't love Windows 8 but it's getting a bad rap by users who aren't willing to invest a little time with the new OS to learn it...I'm sticking with Windows 7 for the time being but I might get the itch to 'upgrade' when it's officially released later this month
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Re: I hate Win 8!

The PC stands for personal computer and that's what we all like, you can make it look just the way your like, but with Metro I guess you can change the background color but your desktop and mine are going to be the same a bunch of blocks sitting on a colored background....LOL
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...it's excellent under the hood and is definitely no Vista...but it will be a tough sell for MS to convince people to upgrade

the new Metro interface is totally useless unless you have a tablet PC...
my prediction: I think by SP2 Microsoft will give users a way to enable the traditional Start Menu...
Hi polonyc2, good to see you posting again.
I agree with both of these points that you made. Under the UI, it seems to be a nice OS; however the UI is useless on a desktop PC.
But, I would go one step further regarding the UI. It is not only useless on a desktop PC, it is frustrating and counter-productive.
My dislike for the OS is not based on the underlying OS, but on the UI. This could have been easily avoided by providing 2 UIs; one for touch screen devices and one for desktop PCs. As Apple has done. MS seems to be desperately trying to copy and catch up with Apple in the touch-screen space, but failed to learn an important lesson from them: Don't abandon your base of desktop work station users while chasing after touch screen users. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
I shouldn't have to 'try' to like an OS. If I do, there's something wrong with it. I didn't have to 'try' to like Windows 7.
I have spent some 'trying' to like Windows 8, but I still hate it.
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Re: I hate Win 8!

And this is the server version..
Windows Server 2012 is Now Available

About direct x.. that was always included except for direct x 9c which wasn't installed with Vista and 7
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Re: I hate Win 8!

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after installing the Release Preview (build 8400) and using it for a few weeks my opinion is that it's not bad...I still prefer Windows 7 overall but once you get used to the layout and interface you learn to appreciate it...it's excellent under the hood and is definitely no Vista...but it will be a tough sell for MS to convince people to upgrade

the new Metro interface is totally useless unless you have a tablet PC but the traditional Desktop is still just a mouse click away...the removal of the Start Menu is the most jarring new feature which will be what most people complain about but honestly the Charms bar works in the same way once you get used to it...swiping the mouse to the right still feels weird to me but I imagine it will get easier with time...the Control Panel and a pseudo Start Menu are still available under the new Charms Bar

I also like the fact that Flash and DirectX are now incorporated into the OS itself

my prediction: I think by SP2 Microsoft will give users a way to enable the traditional Start Menu

overall I don't love Windows 8 but it's getting a bad rap by users who aren't willing to invest a little time with the new OS to learn it...I'm sticking with Windows 7 for the time being but I might get the itch to 'upgrade' when it's officially released later this month
I agree with the above post. I have been playing with the RTM version for awhile now and it is not all that bad. It takes some learning. I also installed this Welcome to Classic Shell to get a somewhat Classic desktop and interface.
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This could have been easily avoided by providing 2 UIs; one for touch screen devices and one for desktop PCs
I think MS chose not to do this as it would be counterproductive...MS wants people to use the new Metro interface and the only way to do that is to force people to use it...by giving people a choice many would simply revert back to the previous UI...the Desktop is still only 1 mouse click away and it's not too big of a deal for me...there are plenty of tweaks available to get Windows 8 looking and feeling the way I like...the Metro interface can be tweaked to add/remove programs just like the former Start Menu

I think MS is expecting more software manufacturer's to get onboard the whole 'app' train...therefore they want users to get comfortable with the new layout...I hear Steam and others are working on new apps for Windows 8...honestly I still don't see the point for non tablet users and if given a choice would still probably bypass the app interface...unless it offers new functionality or ease of use I don't see any reason to use it

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I have been playing with the RTM version for awhile now and it is not all that bad. It takes some learning. I also installed this Welcome to Classic Shell to get a somewhat Classic desktop and interface.
I agree...it just takes some getting used to...plus like you linked to there are alternative skins available to get Windows 8 looking more like Windows 7 with the traditional Start Menu etc
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Re: I hate Win 8!

Poly----good to hear from you!

Guys.....are we listening to ourselves......

If all we are saying about Win 8 is:

it's not that bad"
"it's getting a bad rap"
"I really don't like it that much"
"I am more efficient with Windows 7"

AND it has the sharpest and longest learning curve of ANY previous version of Windows in history....BY FAR

And ALL OF US have resorted to 3rd Party hacks to get it to work for us even semi efficiently......

AND we are ENTHUSIASTS making these comments.....hard core users...not your common user.

Let's face it......The product is doomed.

Pity the poor Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sazbo.......who don't give a hoot about computers----they just want them to work and now 17 years of user experience is out the Window. (No Pun Intended)

Pity the poor business who's IT department shoves Win 8 down their throat (Well---I guess I'd pity the head of IT for being so stupid as he will certainly be fired after the loss of productivity in the business.)

Apple takes a revolutionary product and makes it better evolutionay.
Microsoft takes an excellent evolutionary product and tries to go revolutionary....with a difficult learning curve.

Apple gives users an easy to learn, revolutionary tablet for $500 (maybe $250 if the iPad mini rumours are true)
Microsoft gives users a tablet with an untried interface for $1000

You be the judge.....

Bottom Line:

Apple makes it easy for Mr. and Mrs. Sazbo.....Microsoft doesn't, it's that simple.

Doomed I tell you.....doomed....LOL

And so easy to fix-----and soooo unnecessary......
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Re: I hate Win 8!

Win8 does not have the PC user in mind. With Tablets and Smartphones dominating, MS is thinking of the future. I see an increased use of tablets in business and that is not going away.

Similar situation: I still use a BlackBerry with a physical KB that permits me to do everything with one hand. No swipes/fingerprints required!

Myself, I am not going to Win8 anytime soon.
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I'm probably going to continue using the 64-bit Release Preview on a separate 'test' drive until it expires on January 15th...then I'll decide if I want to purchase and install it on my 2 main hard drives...right now I'm leaning towards keeping Windows 7
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Re: I hate Win 8!

Check out this video with Chris Pirillo a true windows guy, get ready for a laugh!

What do people think of Windows 8? - YouTube
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