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Old 11-02-2013, 03:16 PM   #76
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

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Thanks but are they running without opening them or are those static pictures?
Some are what MS calls Live tiles and they run all the time and update by themselves and some are static!
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:24 PM   #77
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

Just bought Modern Mix and Start8 bundle 5min ago for $7.99.

Start8 is the bomb. You are back to the original Win7 Start menu including search and shutdown and you never see Metro again. You can still open Metro/Apps from within the start menu at the top where is says 'Windows 8 Menu' if you want but it is gone from the lower left corner and I have it where I boot to the desktop.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:38 PM   #78
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

Congrats I knew you would like once you got it setup!
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:48 PM   #79
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

Yeah I haven't spent much time at all looking at Windows 8 yet. I plan to read up on it sometime. I haven't even touched Metro windows much. Having the start menu back and the ability to close apps properly brings it back to Windows 7 interface so I like it.

Win8 seems a lot fresher and faster than Win7, I did a backup the other night and it is totally different from Win7. Win8 is setup to do more stuff for you in the background and just lets you use the OS. It is kind of like the iPAD in a way.

I do have a question. It seems Windows Defender is the default virus program. I opened it and it looks identical to MS Security Essentials. Is Security Essentials now Defender in Win8?
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

Yes Windows Defender is the same as MS Security Essentials. Works good, thats all I use other then Malwarebytes.
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:21 AM   #81
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

Thanks guys,

Like I said, Win8 takes all the user maintenance out of the OS. You do not see the system task bar and all tools like backup, virus, updates, disk tools are all done automatically. I am not use to this yet. I remember Win7 being close to having stock preferences set to what I like best. I think MS polished Win7 very well due to info. MS collects and Win8 autonomous settings are a further result. Essentially Win8 is a OS made for the likes of the iPad because all you really see is internet and mail windows on the start screen.

If you like to use the Win8 start screen with Metro but wish you had a taskbar, Stardock makes something for it.

https://www.stardock.com/products/objectdock/

I like Win8 so far, it seems to be a big overhaul of the total OS. I am finding more changes than I am similarities with Win7. It seems very fast as well. There are less clicks involved in doing routine tasks. IE11 is also very fast. If you choose to install the Stardock software I mentioned you basically turn Win8 interface back to Win7 while keeping the rest of the Win8 OS intact.
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:41 AM   #82
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

With the Stardock software the only thing I am missing with using the Win8 desktop is gadgets. I don't have my Weather gadget any longer but I did send the Metro weather app to the desktop via shortcut.

I believe I am going to full desktop usage in Win8. I might even remove the Win8 menu that accesses the start/Metro screen from my Stardock desktop start menu. I find the Metro screen extraneous because if I go to it and open a program and close it I am back to the desktop anyway. I think it is a hassle to try and use both the desktop and the Metro screen and it is probably best to stick to one or the other.

Seeing the Metro screen with small windows of active internet pages does not ring my bell. I don't need to preview websites to know where I want to go. Other than that I see mail which I don't use or have set up the MS account even though you can use your Outlook password I don't want to open an account and the weather screen which is cool but I have a shortcut for it on the desktop now.
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

I forgot to mention I am sticking with Windows 8.1 and not going back. Having the desktop with the usual start menu sealed it for me. Other than not having the desktop with start menu provided by Stardock, Win8 is a win!
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

I knew Stardock apps would seal the deal for you Sandog, Modern Mix is the best!
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

Yeah, thanks for the tip

I am probably the newest person to Win8 and I didn't know anything going into it. It was very easy to install but I am only beginning to learn the differences. All I have installed so far is drivers and Office 2010 and they work great. Win8 boots faster and is running very well with no issues. I am glad I picked it up but I am also glad I waited for 8.1 and that Stardock software was available and very cheap. I also bought/installed Win8 earlier than I anticipated but I am glad I did it before the holidays get into gear. By Christmas I should have my desktop back to where it was with Win7 and be very familiar with it.
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

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Yeah, thanks for the tip

I am probably the newest person to Win8 and I didn't know anything going into it. It was very easy to install but I am only beginning to learn the differences. All I have installed so far is drivers and Office 2010 and they work great. Win8 boots faster and is running very well with no issues. I am glad I picked it up but I am also glad I waited for 8.1 and that Stardock software was available and very cheap.
Cool I'll install 8.1 pro on my new EVO next week, we can learn this thing together, oh by the way Quicken 2009 works fine on 8.1, I tried it on my laptop, at least the part of Quicken I use.
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

When using the desktop and opening shortcuts on the desktop, Modern Mix is not needed as you can resize/close the apps just like Win7. It is only the metro stuff that Modern Mix helps out I believe.

Start8 really brings the desktop back to Win7 IMO with shutdown. search, access to recently used programs, etc. It's just like Win7. With the desktop you still have both sides of the taskbar (quick-launch and system tray icons). I like to keep an eye on system tray icons and to open hardware utilities. Like I said, I have the complete Win7 desktop now with the performance and usage of the complete Win8 OS. The experience is similar to buying a brand new sports car and then putting in sheepskin car seat covers.
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When using the desktop and opening shortcuts on the desktop, Modern Mix is not needed as you can resize/close the apps just like Win7. It is only the metro stuff that Modern Mix helps out I believe.

Start8 really brings the desktop back to Win7 IMO with shutdown. search, access to recently used programs, etc. It's just like Win7. With the desktop you still have both sides of the taskbar (quick-launch and system tray icons). I like to keep an eye on system tray icons and to open hardware utilities. Like I said, I have the complete Win7 desktop now with the performance and usage of the complete Win8 OS. The experience is similar to buying a brand new sports car and then putting in sheepskin car seat covers.
That's right the metro apps are how usable on the desktop and you can resize them just like any old W7 program, I like right clicking on the W8.1 start button and being able to go to control panel, task manager, shutdown, disk management, and a bunch of stuff. Do you still get that with Start 8?
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That's right the metro apps are how usable on the desktop and you can resize them just like any old W7 program, I like right clicking on the W8.1 start button and being able to go to control panel, task manager, shutdown, disk management, and a bunch of stuff. Do you still get that with Start 8?

In what way are metro apps usable on the desktop using Modern Mix? All I have done so far is send the weather icon to the desktop. The desktop will just show an icon though and not any Metro windows.

Modern Mix is useful to me if you are going to be using the Win8 Start screen with Metro. It does let you right click on the bottom left corner start button and see a nice menu for Windows tasks and it lets you resize/close the Metro apps but again, this is only useful if you are using the Win8 Start screen. If you are in the desktop, Modern Mix is not needed AFAIK unless you save a Metro app to the desktop. Then the Metro app opens like on the Win8 Start screen and Modern Mix lets you close it easily. Other than that, I don't find Modern Mix useful (if using the desktop).

Yes, with Start8 you have everything you had with Win7 and also with the right-click you are talking about with Win8 right-click start button. I would post a pic but the ABXZone picture manager fails to load for some reason.
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Re: What's New in Windows 8.1

I have installed SyncToy. Win8 backup is a completely different animal. There is no file backup selection and from what I can tell. It just runs and saves you User account files and not a image but I am not positive.

SyncToy installs and runs great. I didn't even get asked to install netframework 2.something. I have taken my Win7 image off my system backup drive and am only keeping it on the external Passport drive including a copy of my Win7 user account even though the Win8 user account is identical.
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