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Old 02-15-2014, 02:06 AM   #31
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

I am not totally comfortable with your current thermal numbers.

Some quick comments:

1) I have not played any of those 3 games...LOL and so I googled some basic info of them. (The Next car game looks like a fun game!)

2) 'The Next car game' has some damage-able effects and so this might put some stress to the CPU? Unknown at this moment.
'Castle Story' is neither CPU nor GPU intensive.
'Kingdoms of Amalur' is not CPU intensive, ie more GPU dependent.

So, it seems these games (especially the last 2) are not suited to test temp (and stability) of a new CPU.

3) For your OCCT test, 70C is okay but it also depends how fast the CPU fan was spinning. If it was at a slow speed (say 50-60%), then 70C is excellent. If it was spinning at 90%, then 70C might not be very good.

So, please post your fan profile. Are you using Asus AiSuite or FanExpert to control all your fans?
And, I suppose you did the gameplay with the case side panel closed?

4) I use RealTemp (from Techpowerup). CPUID HWMonitor is also good.
AiSuite, IIRC, measures the Tcase temp which is basically the temp of the CPU heat spreader. This is why it is usually lower than RealTemp's (and likewise softwares) figures. RealTemp reads from the built-in digital sensor in the cores themselves. So, it is more accurate and more useful. And this is the temp that you need to monitor.

5) With 20C ambient temp, an idle temp of 37C (ie 17C above ambient) is fairly high. I suppose the CPU fan was spinning at the base line 40% speed?

So, post your CPU fan profile.

For reference, my 4770K currently idles at 25-28C (ambient 21C) with my two CPU fans spinning at 600rpm (40%). Even though my Archon (I love my monster...LOL) is more capable than your Hyper 212 Evo, the thermal difference at idle should not differ that much at all. Mine is 4-7C above ambient and I expect yours should be slightly higher (eg 10C), definitely not 17C differential. (What thermal paste did you use?)

Summarily, even if both the idle and load temp are okay, you still have to judge if this is really okay or if this is due to an overly aggressive fan profile (which will produce unnecessary noise).

My gut feeling is: with 20C ambient and a single stock fanned Hyper 212 Evo, a stock i7 4770K should do thermally better than your current numbers. Maybe it is due to not sufficient fresh air? Maybe the thermal paste was applied incorrectly? Maybe the mounting pressure is off? Maybe part of (likely one-third to me) 7950's exhaust is being sucked by the CPU fan? I just do not know.

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-Perhaps you should do a little cable management to improve the airflow, especially tidy up those cables right in front of the CPU fan.
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:31 AM   #32
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

The i7-4770K is a truly wonderful chip but it is not perfect. It does not have a soldered heat-spreader. Either due to this fact and/or from the dense design of the transistors, I find it difficult to cool this chip in the normal manner. I tried explaining this when I first got my chip. The thermal diodes in the CPU used to register temperature will go up so fast there is no stopping it. It will hit 70C in a few seconds and can also reverse quickly. No matter how good of a heat sink/paste I use I can not control this. Also the high temperatures never seem to transfer to the HSF sitting on top of the CPU. I never get so much as a mildly warm HS when I touch it. There are plenty of stories of delidding. This is taking the heat spreader off the chip so you can attach your HSF directly to the die but I don't recommend this and of course doing it voids all warranties.
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:41 AM   #33
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

LOL Like I was saying, not much of a gamer!
and next car game is GREAT!

So after a night in sleep mode, and about 10-15 mins at idle,
CPU temps are reading: 32c, MoBo is 26c (Using CPUID)
House is at 20c.

I'm currently running OCCT again... been going for 1/2 hour with temps at ~70c
and fans running around CPU fan 85%, Case fans around 65%
I'll post pics in a bit(Case is closed up)
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:19 AM   #34
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

Here is the OCCT 1 hour temps:
I'm going to run the OCCT GPU test to see what happens...
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:44 AM   #35
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

here is the graphics test.
I didn't let it do the full hour, as it was sitting on the same temps for nearly 15 mins.
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Old 02-15-2014, 02:10 PM   #36
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Your system is running very well if it passes OCCT. 63C is very cool for OCCT, do you have all cores enabled? Don't use this proggy too much, it is too stressful on the CPU.
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Old 02-16-2014, 02:39 AM   #37
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

At idle:
-12C above ambient is ok.
-The CPU fan profile says the CM fan spins at 54%. The ideal base line is usually 40% but 54% is not off too much.

Under load:
-71-78C for the 4 cores is slightly high, though not unacceptable. I would suggest using the Core#0 through Core#3 temps as the temp of concern. I wonder why there is such a large difference between the CPU figure and the four Core#0-Core#3 figures.
-The CPU fan profile says the CM fan spins at 100% (not 85%, which corresponds to 50C CPU temp). At 100%, the fan pushes 83CFM. And the front case fan (responsible for chief fresh air intake) is also spinning at max 100%, intaking 54CFM. And, you can see that the supply is not keeping up with the demand.
-The rear case fan for case exhaust also spins at max 100%, exhausting 49CFM. And this is also not exhausting fast enough to keep up.
-So, as said before, perhaps you can do a simple test (with and without the side panel-for both idle and under stress) and check the thermal difference between them.

For GPU stressing, most people use Heaven/Valley.
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

Could you recommend me some fans?
From newegg or ncix?
Replace all 3 fans or just the two case fans?
Of course noise is always the biggest criteria.

Would it even be worth it staying with this case?
Replacing the case isn't really an option, but?

As long as the fans will do the job and keep my new setup safe
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

Here are some of the leading 120mm fans that offer good CFM and are quiet.

GELID Wing 12PL
Noctua NF-F12 PWM
SilverStone SST-AP121
Nanoxia FX EVO 120
Corsair AF120 Performance Edition

You can choose a PWM fan (4pin header) to have smoother more quiet control and RPM transitions but sometimes they have a clicking noise at low RPM.

Gelid and Noctua are the quietest IMO. I have 4 of the Noctua's.
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

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Here are some of the leading 120mm fans that offer good CFM and are quiet.

GELID Wing 12PL
Noctua NF-F12 PWM
SilverStone SST-AP121
Nanoxia FX EVO 120
Corsair AF120 Performance Edition

You can choose a PWM fan (4pin header) to have smoother more quiet control and RPM transitions but sometimes they have a clicking noise at low RPM.

Gelid and Noctua are the quietest IMO. I have 4 of the Noctua's.
I have Gelid pwm fans in my rig and they have been perfect over the last couple of years or more!
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I would say Gelid is the quietest of that bunch but I feel the Noctua's blow more air. You an check the CFM specs but sometimes they are misleading IMO. The quietest fans possible are PWM with liquid bearings like the Gelid. These cost a pretty penny but they do there job and you don't hear them forever, well worth the change. I don't consider the Corsair series top of the line but a lot of people are satisfied with them. For their cost I would go a little higher and get a better fan.
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

I really appreciate your recommendations... but I can't afford 3 $25 fans

How about this one?
Cooler Master Blade Master 120
I can price match the CM BladeMaster for $6.61 ea.
They have a 5 star review through newegg and push 76cfm

-The Noctura only push 54cfm (same as what I have now)
- The Gelid push 64cfm

Thanks guys!
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I really appreciate your recommendations... but I can't afford 3 $25 fans

How about this one?
Cooler Master Blade Master 120
I can price match the CM BladeMaster for $6.61 ea.
They have a 5 star review through newegg and push 76cfm

-The Noctura only push 54cfm (same as what I have now)
- The Gelid push 64cfm

Thanks guys!
I've used cooler master fans before and never had a problem, not that same one that you posted but they do make good fans!
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

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I really appreciate your recommendations... but I can't afford 3 $25 fans

How about this one?
Cooler Master Blade Master 120
I can price match the CM BladeMaster for $6.61 ea.
They have a 5 star review through newegg and push 76cfm

-The Noctura only push 54cfm (same as what I have now)
- The Gelid push 64cfm

Thanks guys!
Basically you want to have a fan that uses low current, the ones with a lower current rating are good for starting up and running slow/medium fan speed. Most fan controllers on modern mobo's will run fans very low on auto. You basically want a 120mm fan running around 800rpm, this is the quietest speed but still offers good CFM.
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Re: NEW BUILD: ASUS Maximus VI Gene

Another quick question for yea.

What can I do about my front USB ports?
Plugging them in is what prevents the system from powering up.
(worked in the old system)
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