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Old 06-30-2003, 04:55 PM   #16
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Go to this link and at the bottom you will see a Qualified RAM Vendor list. This does not mean if the RAM is not on that list that it wont still work. These are just the ones that they tested and qualified. I have older Corsair TwinX PC2700 stuff and it works fine on that board.

Here is the link:
http://www.asus.com/products/mb/sock...d/overview.htm
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Old 06-30-2003, 04:59 PM   #17
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Go to this link and at the bottom you will see a Qualified RAM Vendor list. This does not mean if the RAM is not on that list that it wont still work. These are just the ones that they tested and qualified. I have older Corsair TwinX PC2700 stuff and it works fine on that board.

Here is the link:
http://www.asus.com/products/mb/sock...d/overview.htm
thanks man, i also searched abx and found users who have that ram and it runs fine on the p4c800 so i guess it will work for me as well
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Old 06-30-2003, 07:39 PM   #18
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NP, there are not a lot of people that have this board it seems. I think it kind of snuck out there under the radar. I doubt we will see Tomshardware or Anandtech review it. In fact I can't find any reviews on it. I would review it but I'm lacking in a couple areas. I don't have a 800Mhz FSB P4 and I don't have DDR 400 RAM. No way without a cryo type setup would I ever be able to overclock the 3.06 P4 I have to 200 FSB unless I could unlock the clock multiplyer to set it to lower than 23, not sure how to do that on a P4, only on the Althons.
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Old 06-30-2003, 09:50 PM   #19
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Maverick i also have the P4C800-E for several weeks now and cannot find a review anywhere. Seems like Asus almost has a blockout or something. Anyway I also love the board, but am waiting on a 800 processor also. Seems nice and stable to me. I took my 2.26 to 2.90 with this board, was stuck at 2.65 with 850-E. Hope to see a review soon.
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Old 06-30-2003, 10:55 PM   #20
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Does anyone know currently if there is any memory out there that is not compatible with the P4c800-E? I am currently looking at buying the board along with the 2.4c and 2x512 of pc3500, just haven't decided yet on the brand.
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Old 06-30-2003, 11:35 PM   #21
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Thx a lot for the help!!!!! I just have one more question... does having the RAId build into the motherboard have that much of an impact on preformance over a RAID card in a PCI slot??

P.S. I will have a sound card and a network card in PCI slots, I want to use a RAID card because then I would not have to run any of my componets on the fly (have 2 things on one ide cable)
Because 2 of the 3 slots will be used for the hard drives! then the final one for a cd burner so when I add a DVD burner i'd have to put 2 on a single IDE.
P.S.S Do intense gaming and..... thats about it.
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Old 07-01-2003, 12:09 AM   #22
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P4C800 Dlx - Intricacies of the Promise SATA Raid:

The more complicated the board the better it is when you get it screamin'. After 3 days of building and testing I've gotten two striped arrays set up on the Promise controller. The first with 2 WD Raptor Serial ATA drives, each on their own channel. They're only 36 Gb each so striped I've got a 70 Gb primary array. Latest benchmarks from Sandra:

SiSoftware Sandra 2003 Pro

After update to new Promise driver - v 1.0.1450.25
C: Drive (Raid 0 – Array 1)

Test Status
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No
Windows Disk Cache Used : No
Use Overlapped I/O : Yes
Command Queue Depth : 4 command(s)
Test File Size : 1023MB
File Server Optimised : No

Benchmark Breakdown
Buffered Read : 1022 MB/s
Sequential Read : 100 MB/s
Random Read : 10 MB/s
Buffered Write : 936 MB/s
Sequential Write : 81 MB/s
Random Write : 18 MB/s
Average Access Time : 5 ms (estimated)

The second array consists of 2 Deskstar 180 GXP 80 Gb drives. They're configured as master and slave on channel 3 (P ATA). This array will be used mainly for video work. Was having serious problems with write speed on this second array until I looked at the Promise manual for the FastTrak S150 TX2 (its the same chipset thats on our Mobo's). Turns out that you have to use the Promise Array Management (PAM) to turn up the PCI bus slider. Now instead of Sequential Writes = < 8 MB/s they're over 60. Buffered writes are also WAY up. Current specs look like:

SiSoftware Sandra 2003 Pro

J: Drive (Raid 0 - Array 2)

Test Status
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No
Windows Disk Cache Used : No
Use Overlapped I/O : Yes
Command Queue Depth : 4 command(s)
Test File Size : 1023MB
File Server Optimised : No

Benchmark Breakdown
Buffered Read : 1111 MB/s
Sequential Read : 77 MB/s
Random Read : 5 MB/s
Buffered Write : 1219 MB/s
Sequential Write : 61 MB/s
Random Write : 15 MB/s
Average Access Time : 13 ms (estimated)

I haven't even started really tuning up and OC'ing the system. I have been running fine with a 10% "AI" overclock. Still need to play with memory timings! But sure is nice to have the disk systems running well.

How 'bout some comparative benchmarks. . .

I'll post cpu & mem benchmarks soon.

I have a pc4800 deluxe aswell just wondering shouldnt the read and write speed for serial ata be 150 MBps? and the ide 133 MBps?
they are the standards for serial ata and ide ata-133.
surely the pci cant slow them down that much? as the scsi raid 320 runs on pci and gets 320MBps transfer rate.

Just wanted to ask another thing aswell this RMA thing with asus
If i want to go to a pc4800-E Deluxe I can send my pc4800-dlx back with rma as a trade in type thing?
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Old 07-01-2003, 12:25 AM   #23
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If i want to go to a pc4800-E Deluxe I can send my pc4800-dlx back with rma as a trade in type thing?
i dont think tey'll let you do that. a lot of people were and are angry about the whole p4c800 issue there is even online petitions to force asus to let p4c800 owners swap for an E version
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Old 07-01-2003, 01:08 AM   #24
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Call Asus's RMA number, 510-739-3777x3 and raise a stink. Don't get off the telephone til they send you an e. Goodluck.
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Old 07-01-2003, 01:18 AM   #25
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Check out this link for performance differences between SATA Raid on ICH-R and the Promise chip.Article at Overclockers Australia
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Old 07-01-2003, 01:24 AM   #26
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Brian,

Can't answer your questions about the throughput of the drives cause I don't know all the intricacies concerning "theoretical" throughput vs actual. I do know that these are the highest rates I've ever seen for disk drives in systems I've built. I also know that the PCI bus does carry overhead that reduces the performance of SATA drives. I'll know for sure once I hook 'em up to the ICH5R and look at the differences with Sandra. I did read a review on an Australian OC site (search on Promise vs ICH5R) and the ICH5R was a bit faster. Not a ton but appreciably faster.

My issue is that as I capture video from my DV camera via firewire I want the best thoughput I can get. Haven't looked at the Intel site lately to see where the 1394 port runs (PCI vs CSA) but that won't make a diff since the drives I'm capturing to will be on the ICH5R.

Concerning the RMA, I just bought my DLX from NuTrend 2 weeks ago so they gave me a RMA, no questions asked. I did, however, hear their cash register ring as they told me about the 15% restock fee. That is well published on all the pages as you go through your order and checkout. But, seems a small price to pay (about $34 + $6 shipping) to "trade-up".
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Old 07-01-2003, 04:16 AM   #27
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Could anyone who has got the P4C800-E Dlx with the latest bios (i.e. 1009 here : ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIO...uxe/1009ed.zip ) confirm that the max VDIMM is 2.85 and not anymore 2.95 ??? (that's a shame ..)
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Old 07-01-2003, 09:32 AM   #28
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bios 1009 installed and vdim is still 2.85
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Old 07-01-2003, 09:38 AM   #29
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bios 1009 installed and vdim is still 2.85
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Old 07-01-2003, 10:20 AM   #30
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Didn't even know that BIOS was released. Its not listed on the website yet. Hmm oh well I will have to try it out. What does it fix?


Hmm this is only on the German site and not even on the Taiwan site yet. Not sure I want to mess with it.
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