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Old 07-24-2004, 12:14 PM   #1
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nobody with alderwood/grantsdale here?

no one buy the new stuff?

i have ordered an asus p5gdc; asus x600pro pci-e gfx and an intel pentium 4 520 LGA775(2.8) and i hoped it arrived this week...
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Old 07-24-2004, 02:05 PM   #2
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Old 07-26-2004, 02:10 PM   #3
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no one buy the new stuff?

i have ordered an asus p5gdc; asus x600pro pci-e gfx and an intel pentium 4 520 LGA775(2.8) and i hoped it arrived this week...
Good for you, I should have an Intel D925XCVLK coming this week. I plan on using Corsair XMS 533 memory. Haven't decided on a power supply yet or video card. I noticed the ASUS was a pretty penny, I was surprised the Intel one was only $215.00. What processor are you going to get? Good luck with the board.
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Old 07-26-2004, 02:35 PM   #4
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Good for you, I should have an Intel D925XCVLK coming this week. I plan on using Corsair XMS 533 memory. Haven't decided on a power supply yet or video card. I noticed the ASUS was a pretty penny, I was surprised the Intel one was only $215.00. What processor are you going to get? Good luck with the board.
my p5gdc will arrive tomorrow, the 2.8er @ wednesday and the x600 next monday...
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:01 PM   #5
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my p5gdc will arrive tomorrow, the 2.8er @ wednesday and the x600 next monday...
I haven't decided if I want to get a real cheap Prescott to test the board out and then get the 3.6 when it comes out or just go for the 3.4 now. I am hoping I can get either an ATI X800 XT PCIe or NVidia 6800 Ultra equivalent. It shouldn't be long before those cards start showing up and there won't be a big demand for them at all.
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Old 07-27-2004, 11:32 PM   #6
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I'm really not sure why people are spending so much money for a loss in performance right now, but I guess it's your money. I mean really, I like having the latest tech, if it means improvement, but at this point, when you lose performance, what is the point? Just my $0.02
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I'm really not sure why people are spending so much money for a loss in performance right now, but I guess it's your money. I mean really, I like having the latest tech, if it means improvement, but at this point, when you lose performance, what is the point? Just my $0.02
I am more than looking forward to getting this. It will be a better board than the D875PBZLK as long as the new socket turns out to be dependable enough and there is no better board than the PBZ IMO. Prescotts are as cheap or cheaper than Northwoods and have the same performance, they also OC well from what I've read. In case you haven't heard, the 915/925 chipsets are PCIe, they have great onboard audio compared to no audio before, have NCQ, faster MCH/memory bus, 4 SATA and 3 Firewire ports, Matrix RAID, etc. so there is plenty of improvement.
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they have great onboard audio compared to no audio before,
is it better then an audigy?
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is it better then an audigy?
I have heard that its not from several people but nobody's heard the Intel board yet and sound is so discretionary to the individual. Also there may be problems with Azalia (I think its the RC850 chip) as far as noise on the board since I have seen a couple of boards make seperate riser cards just for the audio circuit. But as it reads on paper the new audio circuit looks outstanding, no more CL SB drivers, and CPU usage is suppose to be low. The onboard audio is what got me interested in the D925XCV to begin with.

Here's a most excellent article specifically on the Intel boards audio. Enjoy

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=572
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Prescotts are as cheap or cheaper than Northwoods and have the same performance, they also OC well from what I've read
Not, Prescotts are slower than Northwoods, despite the higher L2 cache. The longer pipes slow it down. This has been proven time and again. They are still space heaters as well. The only thing is they will come will higher clocks down the road. And it is also obvious that PCI-X is no better than AGP 8x and the fact that there hasn't been any luck with locking the slot has caused serious problems in the overclocking department. DDR2 is rediculously expensive right now and falls very short of current DDR due to the loose timings. Cas 5 or 6 533 DDR2 is slower than Cas 2.5 DDR400. Like I said, down the road when the new tech can actually bring something to the table, I will be glad to upgrade.
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SPQQKY, it's PCIe, not PCI-X. I'm using PCI-X for my disk controllers something that I wish PCIe was used for but the industry is being really stupid and are pushing the video cards on the PCIe but yet not the PCI slowed down cards that could truly benefit from PCIe-notably NICs and disk controllers. To get PCI-X on a motherboard normally requires an initial outlay of $400+ for the motherboard.
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I am more than looking forward to getting this. It will be a better board than the D875PBZLK as long as the new socket turns out to be dependable enough and there is no better board than the PBZ IMO. Prescotts are as cheap or cheaper than Northwoods and have the same performance, they also OC well from what I've read. In case you haven't heard, the 915/925 chipsets are PCIe, they have great onboard audio compared to no audio before, have NCQ, faster MCH/memory bus, 4 SATA and 3 Firewire ports, Matrix RAID, etc. so there is plenty of improvement.
U are not saying the whole truth though. In my opinion the excitement about the new prescott, 915/925 line shouldn't be about ICH6, onboard audio and PCI-E. It should be about cpu performance and oc'ing ability and both are worse in most cases compared to a northwood...
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U are not saying the whole truth though. In my opinion the excitement about the new prescott, 915/925 line shouldn't be about ICH6, onboard audio and PCI-E. It should be about cpu performance and oc'ing ability and both are worse in most cases compared to a northwood...
Hey Joebar, I am not trying to pitch the Intel board to you and leaving out the bad, I am giving reason to the other poster why I am getting the board. He said there are no improvements.

On OCing, the Intel board doesn't OC anyway (4% tops). But from what I've read about Prescott CPU's they are great OC'rs. Review say performance is equal for equal clocked CPU's compared to Northwood but Prescott has newer extensions and will have other features soon like the halt function, etc. and go up to 4GHz later. Also the other mobo's are suppose to get around the 10% limit.

Anyway, I've stated my reasons why I like the board and will be getting it. I really like the PBZ and I think this board will be better. The Prescott is only going to get better also. I was already on water with Northwoods, so I am all set up for Prescotts hehehe.
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Hey Joebar, I am not trying to pitch the Intel board to you and leaving out the bad, I am giving reason to the other poster why I am getting the board. He said there are no improvements.

On OCing, the Intel board doesn't OC anyway (4% tops). But from what I've read about Prescott CPU's they are great OC'rs. Review say performance is equal for equal clocked CPU's compared to Northwood but Prescott has newer extensions and will have other features soon like the halt function, etc. and go up to 4GHz later. Also the other mobo's are suppose to get around the 10% limit.

Anyway, I've stated my reasons why I like the board and will be getting it. I really like the PBZ and I think this board will be better. The Prescott is only going to get better also. I was already on water with Northwoods, so I am all set up for Prescotts hehehe.
I agree with u, except from one thing, that a prescott has equal performance with a same clocked northwood. However i was talking about my personal feelings on this new line by intel. I was just expecting a bit more. Nevertheless enjoy your new system.
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I know everybody is disappointed in Intel and Intel knows it. I still like the new board a lot and I am not getting it for performance.



Here's some info on the new Prescotts that are suppose to be available October 1st THIS year hehe.

Desktop Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor on the 90nm Process Technology will undergo the following changes for the D-0 to the E-0 core processor stepping change:

# The conversion to E-0 Step will incorporate power optimizations to enable speed enhancements
# Includes Execute Disable Bit support and additional power management features (LGA775 only)
# The CPU ID will change from 0xF34h to 0xF41h
# Updated BIOS required
# E-0 is pin compatible with D-0
# Data Sheet available July 14, 2004
# New S-Specs for affected product line items
# Customer samples will be provided. Customer qualification required

Forecasted Key Milestones:
Date of Samples Availability: July 06, 2004 – July 30, 2004
Date of Qualification Data Availability: September 17, 2004
Date Customer Must be Ready to Receive Post-Conversion Material: October 01, 2004
Date of First Availability of Post-Conversion Material: October 01, 2004

http://developer.intel.com/design/p...rs/D0104101.pdf

in Q4 Intel will release a Prescott with the above features and stepping with 2MB L2 Cache and a 1066MHz FSB

By the way, I am getting this new board in the mail tomorrow and will post up some pics of it tomorrow evening. I plan on getting a 3.4 Prescott and 1GB of Corsair XMS DDR2. Power supply and case not planned yet and may get the ATI X600 PCIe if it is the best I can do at the time.
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